Talk:Seiten

Name?
If his name is "Seiten" in the Japanese transliteration, why is this page named "Saiten"? Is there a reason for it or is it just a mistake? I'm pretty sure his name is Seiten. Damaijin (talk) 20:38, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * In the English dub he states that his name is Saiten; although "Seiten" is how he is credited in the movie, elsewhere he is credited as Saiten, such as in the IMDb.--Suzaku 朱雀 Maze Castle 23:51, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * But wouldn't the canon policy dictate that the in-film credit take precedence over third party sources like the IMDb? Damaijin (talk) 01:50, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * You seem to have missed the point, so I will repeat myself: in the English dub he states that his name is Saiten. It has nothing to do with the IMDb. This is an English language site; the use of Japanese names over those used in the dub is only due to the fact that in the fan community those names are more well-known/widely used (mostly because of their use in the manga). However, because Saiten is a movie-exclusive character, there is no conflict with canon since he does not appear in the manga and most English-speaking fans (as evidenced by his IMDb crediting) are more familiar with the English dub-version name. I was not referencing the IMDb as a source, merely as evidence to demonstrate how more widespread the use of the English dub-version name is.--Suzaku 朱雀 Maze Castle 11:22, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Now I understand. Thank you. Damaijin (talk) 22:49, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * So, wait... are you saying spelling on this page is based on how it's pronounced in the English dub rather than how it's spelled in the credits or official subtitles? I'm in agreement with Daimajin; the spelling should reflect however the official English credits or subtitles have it spelled, not a phonetic guess based on how it's pronounced by the actors. I think it's more likely that the dub merely mispronounced the name as "Saiten" rather than changing the spelling entirely. But I don't have the Movie 4 DVD handy to check the subtitles or credits, and I don't trust IMDB to be accurate. Fast Moon (talk) 23:17, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Luckily, the IMDb is not being used as a source, as I have said, so it's accuracy is irrelevent. I wouldn't say that our naming policy is based on pronunciation rather than spelling because I sincerely doubt this is an issue for any other page. Any subtitles on the DVD would be for the Japanese audio track rather than the English one, so it's use as a source, in addition to the credits, would be similarly unhelpful, as the English credits do not list Saiten or his English voice actor. The Japanese name is listed in the article, so there should really be no issue, so long as you understand that the naming convention for this page is based on the convenience of English-speaking audiences.--Suzaku 朱雀 Maze Castle 00:03, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess I don't understand how the official English subtitle track is useless as a source for how something's spelled. Even though it's subtitling the Japanese, the Viz subtitles still translate everything with the same terms and spellings that are used in the dub. They still spell it "Tetsusaiga" in the subtitles rather than the correct "Tessaiga", they still subtitle it "Iron Reaver Soul Stealer" instead of "Sankon Tessō". So I don't see why the subtitle's spelling is suddenly invalid simply because the dub actor didn't pronounce it right, otherwise we should change Kikyō's page to "Kikiyo" because that's more like what they say in English. Fast Moon (talk) 11:06, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * So far your argument has lacked any substantive premise, being based entirely on mocking and deriding the opposite view point; so I can't say that discussing the issue any further would lead to any progress, unless you can come up with a better reason to change the title other than "the dub actor mispronounced it" or the weird Kikyō hypothetical that was sort of a stretch. The subtitles aren't "suddenly" irrelevant, they're just plain irrelevant. If the English audience perceives the name as being Saiten and that's what the fan community believes, that's what the English name will be. The Japanese name is included in numerous places in the article, so there is no issue of accuracy, since the Japanese translation is also presented. Unless you can come up with a valid reason why the convenience of the reader should not be taken into account (as it obviously should), I'm going to consider this subject closed.--Suzaku 朱雀 Maze Castle 12:09, March 21, 2013 (UTC)