InuYasha Wiki:Daimyō-kai/Log/2012 August 4

Part 1 - August 4
* 10:28 Ryoga04 Welcome Suzaku-san (or Freed :P ) * 10:30 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Hello! * 10:30 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts And, lol. You know Freed!! :D * Welcome to the InuYasha chat * 10:31 Ryoga04 Yeah I know Freed :) The Fighting Festival Arc, with   Evergreen, Freed and Bickslow!  * 10:31 Ryoga04 OT: Hayate is getting another season, by Manglobe.  * 10:32 Rowan Salazar So, will we wait for a bit before starting or    just jump right in? :) * 10:33 Ryoga04 Hi Row-chan :) I think we should start, we do have a   lot of things to discuss.  * 10:35 Rowan Salazar Hi Ryoga-san (and Sukaku-san)!  * 10:37 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts I hope Hayate is better than    the second season. The first season was best.  * 10:37 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts We can start if you want.  * 10:39 Rowan Salazar Well, that is why we are here, right? So our    first topic of discussion is the "chronology of the films."  * 10:42 Ryoga04 Let's begin then. Chronology of the films...    http://www.furinkan.com/iycompanion/misc/index.html This link has    the order in which the movies much be watched. Would that help us?  * 10:43 Rowan Salazar Episodes 1 - 54, Movie 1, Episodes 55 - 95,    Movie 2, Episodes 96 - 136, Movie 3, Episodes 137 - 167, Movie 4  * 10:44 Rowan Salazar That is what it says... my only question: why is    this a discussion topic? * 10:46 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts :/ * 10:46 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Are we sure that's canon? * 10:49 Ryoga04 I know we don't consider Wikipedia to be reliable, but it says so too. And Furinkan is one of the most followed fansites on   the web. * Ryoga04 has left the chat. * 10:51 Rowan Salazar I don't think Takahashi or any source has given a statement on that question, so we can't determine if its canon or not * 10:52 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Well, if we can make a   consensus to use it, in the absence of a definitive statement from Takahashi, I'll be content. * 10:52 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Also, let's try to be a little more punctual with responses. I don't want this to go all night, like usual. Let's get through stuff as quick as possible. * Ryoga04 has joined the chat. * 10:53 Rowan Salazar Hai. I can agree to make a consensus to use it. * 10:54 Ryoga04 Sorry guys, my internet stopping working all of a   sudden. Fixed now. * 10:54 Ryoga04 Me too, I agree. * 10:55 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Okay, next. Good articles: should we start up a process? * 10:56 Rowan Salazar I think it'd be worth the effort, so I think we   should. * 10:57 Ryoga04 Good articles... I don't know. It's not that I don't   like them. First, we don't have space on the Main Page and second, I   think you two are the only one who edit the wiki frequently. * 10:58 Ryoga04 So, you know, I'm not sure if other editors would expand the articles (most of them just edit Relationships or   grammar) and nominate them for a GA.  * 10:59 Rowan Salazar So are you proposing we wait until we get more active contributors, Ryoga-san? * 11:00 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts By that logic, we should get rid of featured images and articles. In fact...just close down the wiki, since no one else edits it. * 11:01 Rowan Salazar :/ Ahh, I don't like the sound of that, though. * 11:02 Ryoga04 Lol, I didn't mean it that way. There are some good editors (Hazeleyes, InuYasha and Kagome etc.) in our wiki. If you guys think GAs would work, then you got my support :) * 11:03 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts It's up to you Rowan. Our    FA-standards are really high compared to the output we get, so I    think GAs would help alleviate any situation where someone may be    too daunted.  * 11:04 Rowan Salazar I'm still in support of the GAs. Would you like    any assistance setting up requirements and such, or can you handle    that on your own?  * 11:08 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts I can do it.  * Ryoga04 has left the chat.  * 11:09 Rowan Salazar Okay, moving on then. Discussion on quotes.  * 11:11 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts May experience some technical    problems here, shortly.  * 11:12 Rowan Salazar All right. Shall we wait a bit for Ryoga?  * 11:13 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Eh...  * 11:13 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Hrmph.  * 11:13 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts No. We'll continue, and if he    comes back, we'll get his vote. * 11:14 Rowan Salazar So, do we continue to have a quotes section, or   use header quotes instead? That is the question at hand, correct? * 11:14 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts We can move on to ones that don't need consensus, but are just general issues. You already fixed the toolbar, but the icons such as for protection and FA status are no longer aligned like they were, since the Wikia update. * 11:14 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts *Quotes will likely need consensus * Ryoga04 has joined the chat. * 11:16 Rowan Salazar I didn't notice. Give me a moment... * 11:16 Rowan Salazar Welcome back, Ryoga-san. * 11:17 Ryoga04 Hi. I have no idea what's wrong with my internet...   Anyway, what did I miss? * 11:17 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Nothing. Technical issue. What's your opinion on lead quotes? * 11:19 Ryoga04 To be honest, I don't like them. Many articles have a   section dedicated to quotes and I think that's better than the lead quote. * 11:20 Rowan Salazar Lead quotes in general, though, not just one at   the top. If we used a quote to head different sections instead of   having a quotes only section. * Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts has left the chat. * Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts has joined the chat. * 11:24 Ryoga04 Maybe just in the Relationships section and Powers section. Take a look at Kikyo. The quote at the top makes the lead look dull. * 11:24 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts What if we did a lead quote at   the top, but kept the quotes section? * 11:24 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Sometimes it's hard to find a   quote for every section. I don't want to lose quality just for the sake of format. * 11:25 Rowan Salazar I agree it would be hard to find quotes for every section. * 11:25 Ryoga04 I concur. * 11:25 Rowan Salazar However, what about the content of the quotes? * 11:26 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Hm? * 11:26 Rowan Salazar Some quotes I've seen are just random, unimportant quotes. * 11:26 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts They should reflect the personality of the character themselves. * 11:26 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts For instance on Sesshomaru . * 11:27 Rowan Salazar Okay, I can agree to that. Should we have a   limit on the number of quotes? * 11:27 Ryoga04 Exactly Suzaku-san. @Rowan: Yes, I think we should. After all, the dialogues and script are copyrighted :D * 11:28 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts What do you mean a limit? I   suggested keeping it to the top of the article...unless you're    referring to the quotes section itself? * 11:29 Rowan Salazar Yes, the quotes section itself. * 11:30 Rowan Salazar The section is also under concern for random quotes too, so having a limit could also help narrow down important quotes. * 11:30 Rowan Salazar *down to * 11:31 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Just keep the important ones, though I guess that'd be hard to define... * 11:31 Ryoga04 So, we keep the header quotes? * 11:33 Rowan Salazar So, perhaps we enforce that the addition/removal of quotes from the quotes section be discussed via the article talk page..? And yes, Ryoga, a header quote at the top of each article. * 11:34 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts I dunno, it's just content, so   it's no different from removing sentences from the bio. We just need to decide what's a good criteria for the quotes section. * 11:36 Rowan Salazar I haven't got any ideas, unfortunately... * 11:36 Ryoga04 Screentime, maybe? Like an episode? * 11:40 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Maybe just lines that have to   do with plot? I dunno...I think we should just handle that on a case by case basis. * 11:40 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Or maybe those that showcase the character's personality or personal feelings, similar to the lead quote. * 11:41 Ryoga04 That is a good criteria too. * 11:42 Rowan Salazar If we come up with more ideas on it, we can just come back to it. Shall we move on? * 11:42 Ryoga04 Yes, we shall :) * 11:43 Rowan Salazar I'm looking into the icon alignment, so next is    sourcing/referencing.  * 11:44 Rowan Salazar    http://underlandchronicles.wikia.com/wiki/The_Underland_Cyclopedia:References

* 11:44 Rowan Salazar I was thinking we could have something like this, to help explain how to use the reference templates * 11:46 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts This one is beyond me. I can't   remember what I was thinking when I added it to the agenda, except that we don't have any guidelines laid down. * 11:47 Rowan Salazar Well, I wanted to discuss it too anyways. :) * 11:48 Ryoga04 That is a well written guide Row-chan. I have no    objections using it here.  * 11:48 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts The Wook has some here; take a    look if you wish. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Sourcing  * 11:49 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Also, attribution should be    discussed; as to what counts as reliable source.  * 11:49 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts We had a lot people changing    ages and things a while ago using spurious sources.  * 11:50 Ryoga04 InuYasha manga, anime and movies are reliable. Rumiko    Takahashi's interviews, the Manga Profiles, and the Artbook are too.  * 11:52 Rowan Salazar Okay, I'll draft one as a subpage of my user    page, and have you guys look at it before we enforce it. Sound good?  * 11:54 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts For which? Attribution or    referencing? Or both?  * 11:55 Rowan Salazar I figured they could be combined into one. Is   that okay, or shall I draft them separately? * 11:56 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Up to you. Makes no difference to me. * 11:56 Rowan Salazar All right. * 11:57 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Right, so next. It was suggested on a forum that we merge with the fanon wiki. What do guys make of that? * 11:59 Rowan Salazar I saw the forum, and... honestly, I object the idea completely :/ * 11:59 Ryoga04 Trust me guys, we don't want to. * 12:01 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Okay, moving on. Compare translation templates in Hiten  to Kyora . Which format do we prefer, as far as the literal meaning is concerned. * 12:01 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts *? * 12:02 Rowan Salazar !Are the icons still acting up for you, Suzaku-san? * 12:04 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Haidesu... :/ * 12:05 Rowan Salazar For me, they look normal. What about you, Ryoga-san? * 12:06 Rowan Salazar And, personally, I like them both, but Kyora's   more... * 12:07 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Are you using the Wikia look, Rowan-dono? * 12:07 Rowan Salazar Although perhaps the translation part could unitalicized. * 12:07 Rowan Salazar And, yes. * 12:08 Ryoga04 Both look good. @Row-chan: The icons look normal to me   too. * 12:09 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Rowan: Are you trying to get them in the corner of the infobox, because otherwise they haven't   moved from what I can tell. And if we unitalicize that, then we   should do it for the English names, as well. * 12:10 Rowan Salazar No, not in the corner of the infobox, on top of   the header line. And that sounds fine with me. * 12:11 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Wouldn't the "pages on this   wiki" get in the way if you put it on the header line? * 12:11 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Before the Wikia changes, it   was in the infobox's corner, for me. * 12:11 Rowan Salazar I found that if the icon is positioned with the infobox, it looks messed up if an article has some sort of notice template at the top, because the icon stays in its position. * 12:12 Rowan Salazar And no, the pages on this wiki doesn't get in   the way. * 12:12 Rowan Salazar http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Aang * 12:13 Rowan Salazar Can you see how the icons are positoned there? * 12:14 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts File:Example.png  * 12:16 Rowan Salazar Yeah, that's how it's meant to look. Except, on   mine, there's a bit of space between the infobox and the lock bottom. * 12:17 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts It's the same way with Avatar, the icons on my screen are below the bar. * 12:17 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Why would you want it to look like that, Rowan-dono? * 12:19 Ryoga04 Mine looks the same too, except there's space between the infobox and the icons, just like Rowan's. * 12:19 Rowan Salazar Well, like I mentioned before, some pages have notice templates. Not to mention, we'll be adding header quotes too... * 12:20 Rowan Salazar Plus, what if the name runs into the icons? * 12:21 Rowan Salazar Well, bad example... * 12:21 Rowan Salazar >.< * 12:22 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts I don't know. It's always annoyed me, but apparently it's just a problem with my browser? * 12:22 Rowan Salazar I believe so, sorry. What browser do you use anyways? * 12:22 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts IE * 12:23 Ryoga04 Did you try Firefox, Suzaku-san? * 12:24 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts I don't have that. * 12:24 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts If I'm the only one experiencing problems, then I guess it doesn't matter. * 12:25 Rowan Salazar When I use IE, it gives me the same image as   you, Suzaku. I think it is IE, so I can try looking into a way to   fix it for IE users. ^^ * 12:26 Ryoga04 The last time I used IE was in 2008 :O I can't believe it's been 4 years! * 12:26 Rowan Salazar It's been longer for me, lol. Shall we move on now? * 12:26 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts IE is the only thing I've ever used. Yes, Rowan, please do. * 12:26 Ryoga04 Yes, Row-chan. * 12:27 Rowan Salazar So, Inu no Taisho's name? * 12:29 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Yeah, what should we do about it? Touga or keep as is? * 12:29 Rowan Salazar Inu no Taisho's name was never given, but I read that the makers of the films called him Toga but it never went in   the credits. * 12:30 Ryoga04 As it's not official, I think we shouldn't rename him. * 12:32 Rowan Salazar I concur with Ryoga, although it can be noted in   the Trivia section. :) * 12:32 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts There was that site, where    they put it up, then took it down. Does that not count?  * 12:32 Rowan Salazar What site?  * 12:33 Ryoga04 Furinkan? InuYasha World?  * 12:35 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts "Just now I found his real    name at Japanese Wikipedia. At first since Sword of the Honorable    Ruler released, Sunrise renamed Inu no Taisho's as "Tōga'on" (闘牙    王, literal meaning "King of Fight Fang"), but then the company    changed again as Inuyasha's father because they didn't want to let    the InuYasha fans confused. Is that possible to move this page into    appropriate title?" --Sango  * 12:37 Rowan Salazar No source? :/ And I still don't think it counts    since they changed it back.  * 12:38 Ryoga04 Oh, Japanese Wikipedia. It's unsourced Suzaku-san. And    here's a link: http://www.ear-tweak.com/ramblings/keh_inupapa.htm  * 12:40 Rowan Salazar Haha, that's where I read his name was used by    film makers but was never used. ^^ * 12:40 Ryoga04 Inu-papa. Sounds very cute, lol. * 12:40 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Oh well, who will add it to   trivia? Lest we forget... * 12:41 Rowan Salazar Not me! :P I'm busy deleting orphaned images...   we have so many... * 12:42 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts You don't have to do it now, just commit to doing it sometime in the next day or so. * 12:43 Rowan Salazar Hai, I can do that, then. * 12:43 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts I'm going ot set up the GAs, update the FAs with quotes, and fix the translation templates. So we   don't have to worry about that. * 12:44 Rowan Salazar Next topic: Main character synopses. * 12:44 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts I think they should be very brisque. Give the bare minimum of information. No play-by-plays. * 12:44 Ryoga04 Even though I won't be free until the next Saturday, I'll try my best to help you guys out. * 12:44 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts We can supplement them with information in the episode or chapter summaries. * 12:45 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Also, should we make fight and event pages? * 12:45 Rowan Salazar I don't know what you mean by "main character   synopses"...  * 12:46 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Bios for main character articles. * 12:46 Ryoga04 Synopses: I like Suzaku-san's idea. It would prevent the character pages from getting huge. As for the fights and events, I'd love to see their pages being created (along with the arcs). * 12:46 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Then we could finally categorize the Ritual of Inheritance, lmao. * 12:46 Rowan Salazar Ah, I see. Then, I agree. * 12:47 Rowan Salazar And yes, I'd like to see it categorized * 12:47 Rowan Salazar It's the only page that's not! * 12:48 Rowan Salazar As for fights and events, I can definitely create infoboxes within the next week or so! :) * 12:48 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts If every main character turned    out like Kaguya, I don't know what I'd do myself...bathe in peanut    butter I guess. It wouldn't be pretty: the articles that is. I    always look fantastic, peanut butter or no.  * 12:48 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts *with myself  * 12:48 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts *do with myself, that is  * 12:49 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts *and turned out as is depth of    information in the bio  * 12:49 Ryoga04 So, we have a consensus then :) Lol Suzaku-san. * 12:49 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts We may even want to trim the FAs at some point. * 12:50 Rowan Salazar xD Agreed. Next topic: Poll queue. :( I feel bad   since I kinda dropped off the face of the planet and left it on that    one question. Plus, Ryoga pointed out I forgot Hachi!  * 12:51 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Lol, who cares about Hachi,    he's obnoxious.  * 12:51 Ryoga04 No he's not!!  * 12:52 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Anyway, I think we should come    up with questions and then queue them. Then come up with a more    regular schedule, or a quota of people to be polled, perhaps.  * 12:52 Rowan Salazar Sounds good to me!  * 12:53 Ryoga04 Sounds good. At Ranma wiki, Trivi-AM (the admin)    decided to open a forum thread to discuss poll questions:    http://ranma.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Main_Page_Poll_Suggestion_Thread  * 12:54 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts Okay, shall we brainstorm some    for the rest of the year (one per month)? I'll put the questions on    my user page, then if someone wants to put them on an actual queue page or something I don't know. But they'll be on my page if we need them. * 12:54 Suzaku of the Four Saint Beasts @Ryoga, forums are a bad idea; we get barely any traffic and the ideas we get from anons are always stupid or incoherent. * 12:56 Ryoga04 You do have a point... So, we put up questions on our user page? * 12:57 Rowan Salazar Uh.... not to ruin the great idea mojo we have, but I have to go really, really soon... Like, 5 minutes soon... I   didn't realize it'd take so long! I'm so sorry! Would it be possible to carry this on either later today or do it tomorrow at the same time...? I've already gotten the entire text of this discussion copied and saved for posting later...

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