InuYasha Wiki:Daimyō-kai/Log/2014 February 23

Welcome to the InuYasha chat Sango 珊瑚 has joined the chat. 10:12 Lord Hyōga Hello! 10:12 Sango 珊瑚 Konichiwa. :v 10:15 Lord Hyōga Konbanwa! >.< 10:16 Sango 珊瑚 LOL, that expression. o3o 10:21 Lord Hyōga What's wrong with that? >_> 10:22 Sango 珊瑚 <.< Just wondering, LOL. 10:23 Lord Hyōga Ha, well, it's evening where I am. :P 10:24 Sango 珊瑚 LOL, no wonder. :v In here it is almost noon. Super Shmevan has joined the chat. 10:31 Super Shmevan Hi guys :D 10:32 Sango 珊瑚 Hai (in Malay language)! :3 10:33 Lord Hyōga Hello. 10:33 Super Shmevan So it appears that the others haven't arrived yet.. 10:34 Lord Hyōga Nope. Sango was early. :3 10:34 Sango 珊瑚 Ryoga-kun hasn't arrive yet. :v 10:34 Super Shmevan Well done Sango :) He'll be here 10:35 Lord Hyōga I wonder why Banryu didn't sign up to attend. 10:35 Sango 珊瑚 Yeah, just wait for awhile. o.o 10:35 Super Shmevan I was just gonna mention that I'm sure Banryu wants to be here Ryoga04 has joined the chat. 10:36 Ryoga04 Hey guys! 10:36 Super Shmevan Hey Ryoga-kun :D 10:36 Sango 珊瑚 o3o You scared me! 10:37 Ryoga04 Hi Evan :D @Sango: Haha lol 10:38 Lord Hyōga We'll start in two minutes. Just in case somebody else decides to stop by. 10:39 Ryoga04 Oh Banryu huh? He must've forgotten? 10:39 Lord Hyōga Maybe... 10:39 Ryoga04 He hasn't logged in two days... 10:39 Lord Hyōga Yeah, I was about to say. Otherwise, he would have seen the community messages update. 10:40 Sango 珊瑚 Unless the net is down. >>" 10:41 Ryoga04 I don't think that's the reason Sango-chan. He might be caught up in some other thing. 10:41 Super Shmevan Yeah, he seems to be really busy whenever school starts 10:41 Lord Hyōga Before we start, since we had issues last May with time and people having to leave, let's try to get as much done as possible on the agenda. So let's keep the down time between responses down to a minimum and keep things rolling as smoothly and succinctly as possible. 10:41 Super Shmevan Sounds good 10:41 Sango 珊瑚 Hmmhmm. *nods* 10:42 Ryoga04 Kay. 10:43 Lord Hyōga I'll begin with the first item on the agenda, which is probably the longest. Could somebody go line by line from the last meeting's minutes and explain to me what your decisions were? Because as the minutes are now, they don't have any explanation of what the decision for each item actually was. 10:44 Super Shmevan So, go through the agenda from the last meeting and tell you what decisions we came to on the subjects? 10:47 Ryoga04 It's pretty long lol 10:47 Sango 珊瑚 Yea... 10:47 Ryoga04 Well, it was decided that "Final Act" will be used instead of "Kanketsu-hen". 10:49 Lord Hyōga I see... Why? 10:49 Ryoga04 Because it's the official Viz title. 10:49 Lord Hyōga I see. It's been dubbed now, too. So I guess that makes sense. 10:50 Sango 珊瑚 It's an official translation, after all. :v For me, I'll do the same thing in my wikis. Avoid confusion. 10:51 Lord Hyōga #1 is Category proposition. What was that? 10:52 Sango 珊瑚 I saw the texts, it seems like... >> Changing the categories into proper names. 10:52 Ryoga04 I guess it was about some new categories, should we create them or not. Evan might know better. 10:52 Super Shmevan We had a pretty long conversation about new proposed categories.. such as "individuals" instead of "characters", to make it more 'in-universe' 10:53 Lord Hyōga Good, I've been wanting to do that for awhile. How about this "Occupations" to "Professions", was that part of the discussion as well? 10:54 Super Shmevan Yeah, we decided to go with professions 10:54 Lord Hyōga Why? 10:55 Sango 珊瑚 In my opinion, "professions" sounds better. :v Dtaromei has joined the chat. 10:55 Sango 珊瑚 (I hardly to see back the previous record. >>") Hello, Dtaromei. :3 10:56 Super Shmevan Hm.. actually now that I'm looking at the text from that last meeting we didn't actually discuss "professions vs occupation" in depth, professions is just the category we have now 10:56 Lord Hyōga Dtaromei, we're in the middle of our Daimyo-kai. You're welcome to observe and comment, but as you don't meet our 50 edit requirement, you won't have any voting power. Just to let you know. I think we should revert back to Occupations, please hold for an explanation...: 10:57 Sango 珊瑚 @super: So is that possible to change it again? O_o 10:57 Super Shmevan Yessir I would say so, Sango 10:58 Dtaromei what is your Daimyo kai 10:58 Super Shmevan We could just rename the category, unless I'm mistaken 10:58 Sango 珊瑚 Hmmm, so the bot must adjust back. >.>" 10:58 Super Shmevan Ah yes, the bot would have to do it or something 10:58 Ryoga04 It 10:59 Lord Hyōga Occupation: (n.) any activity in which a person is engaged. Profession: (n.) a vocation requiring knowledge of some department of learning or science. As you can see, occupation is far broader, and can therefore include more pages. Profession is, for many pages within the category currently, an inaccurate description. 10:59 Sango 珊瑚 That bot is responsible for changing categories. :v 10:59 Ryoga04 It is run by Rowan, the bot I mean, so we'd have to contact her. 10:59 Super Shmevan You're right, Sango & Ryoga 11:00 Sango 珊瑚 @hyoga: You search those from dictionary? >>+ 11:00 Super Shmevan Hehe 11:00 Lord Hyōga Yes. 11:00 Sango 珊瑚 Well, in this case, occupation is better. 11:00 Lord Hyōga My own word wouldn't have been quite as authoritative, I'm afraid. ^_^ 11:00 Super Shmevan I suppose you're right, Hyoga, a profession sounds more like a job or something Dtaromei has left the chat. 11:01 Super Shmevan And most of the articles under this category, like miko and daimyo, aren't really jobs But, at the same time, are they really occupations? Aren't some of them titles? 11:01 Lord Hyōga Exactly. They're more positions or roles in society. They don't require formal training, though miko might fit under "profession". Even so, occupation is a very broad term. Basically, anything you "occupy" your time with. 11:02 Super Shmevan Good point I'm fine with changing it back to occupations 11:03 Lord Hyōga It's too bad only one person has control of the bot. What happens if we can't get in touch with Rowan. How do we go about getting it back to work? 11:04 Ryoga04 We need AWB or something like that to run it. 11:04 Super Shmevan AWB? 11:04 Ryoga04 AutoWikiBrowser :D 11:05 Super Shmevan Oooh Well yeah, Rowan has been gone for a little while now, sooner or later we might have to do something about the bot if she doesn't show 11:05 Ryoga04 Yep 11:06 Lord Hyōga Well, we'll cross that bridge if we come to it. I haven't seen any other categories that I've disagreed with the recategorization, but I'll bring it up if I come across another one. 11:06 Super Shmevan Ok, have you seen the categorization proposal that Rowan wrote? 11:07 Sango 珊瑚 I saw that proposal. :v A lot of changes. 11:07 Super Shmevan Yep 11:08 Sango 珊瑚 So do Hyoga-kun agree those changes? o.o 11:09 Super Shmevan Maybe he's looking at it right now.. O.o 11:10 Ryoga04 Yeah. 11:10 Sango 珊瑚 LOL, my net behaves naughty. >> Sometimes can't see the latest changes automatically. 11:11 Lord Hyōga It's mostly okay. I'll have to think about the real world section. I think Miko and Monk should be subcategories of Category:Priests. I'll also have to about Individuals by ability. That seems like a floodgate waiting to be open. The only I can see that I overtly disagree with is Category:Undead being revived by Tenseiga vs. revived by the Shikon no Tama. How much of this has actually been implemented and how much remains just proposed? 11:13 Super Shmevan "revived by Tenseiga" has been implemented, I just checked 11:13 Lord Hyōga Hmm... Sango 珊瑚 has left the chat. 11:14 Lord Hyōga So some has, some hasn't... 11:14 Super Shmevan Yeah, apparently Sango 珊瑚 has joined the chat. 11:15 Lord Hyōga What were the changes to the reference and source policy? 11:15 Sango 珊瑚 But how about those revived by other means? o_o Like Sounga revives the soldiers, orge, and Takemaru. And then Kikyo is revived by Urasue. <.> 11:17 Lord Hyōga Good point Sango. This is a big can of worms, and we should just leave it closed. There's no sense in fragmenting Category:Undead into various splinter categories. I'd rather leave it all in one. 11:17 Super Shmevan I agree; Undead is broad enough to cover every character who was brought back to life one way or another 11:18 Ryoga04 @Hyoga: I guess it was decided that character pages should be referenced? 11:18 Super Shmevan Yeah, Rowan also drafted that Reference and source policy 11:19 Lord Hyōga Was that not already practice? I always source my articles when I write FAs... :/ 11:20 Sango 珊瑚 Yareyare... ._. 11:21 Ryoga04 Yeah, it was. It was made a policy that must be followed, that's all. 11:21 Super Shmevan Yeah, we didn't really discuss this topic for very long 11:21 Lord Hyōga I see. So something of a housekeeping matter. 11:21 Super Shmevan Yep 11:22 Lord Hyōga Brief summary of other naming changes? 11:23 Super Shmevan Well, the others suggested that we should rename the Infant "akago" .. But I said no :D 11:23 Sango 珊瑚 e.e" Isn't that in English you call that baby as the "infant"? 11:23 Ryoga04 Abi was changed to Princess Abi because of her power and authority as compared to other hime. 11:24 Lord Hyōga Good choice. I'm not really sure why one would want to do that. It isn't a name, so... >_> alajkfdklklfj 11:24 Super Shmevan I even said I wished Hyoga was there so he could back me up !! 11:25 Sango 珊瑚 e.e+ 11:25 Lord Hyōga Was the Infant changed? And titles do not belong in page names, unless there is no known name. >_>" Do we have a naming policy? Or was that rewritten too? 11:26 Sango 珊瑚 Akago isn't a name, I should say. -w- 11:26 Super Shmevan We do indeed have a naming policy InuYasha Wiki:Naming policy Oh and no, the infant wasn't changed 11:26 Ryoga04 Nope, Infant still remains :D 11:26 Super Shmevan Hehe 11:26 Lord Hyōga Yeah, but it doesn't seem like it was rewritten...hm. I thought that was one I imported. I should have changed it sooner to reflect Wookieepedia. 11:27 Sango 珊瑚 In Chinese unofficial translation, they do translate it as "akago". >_>" But in official version it's translated into "baby/infant". So I'll stick to official one. LOL, hehe. XD 11:28 Lord Hyōga Oh, well. Do you guys understand why titles shouldn't be in page names? @Sango, akago is a term used for a baby, so it wouldn't make sense to use it as a proper noun directly from the original Japanese. :/ It's uncommonly used, but it does have some application. 11:29 Super Shmevan Hm.. I think I understand.. but can you explain? 11:29 Lord Hyōga Without knowing if he's constantly called "Akago" versus some other word for baby, I can't assume that it's a proper noun. 11:29 Sango 珊瑚 Chinese wouldn't call "akago", even it's in kanji. >.> There's no such vocabulary in Chinese, sounds weird, and it doesn't mean "baby" anymore, it's more to "red child" than "baby". Xd 11:30 Super Shmevan I wish we had some sort of reference to put on the Infant's article from an official source saying that Akago isn't actually a name It feels a little hollow without a reference 11:30 Lord Hyōga Well, imagine if Wikipedia named pages President Hollande, instead of Francois Hollande. It's just awkward and doesn't really seem very encyclopedic. True, Evan.* *First time I've called you that. >.< Calling you Shmevan is just awkward, since I don't think anyone other than me calls you that anymore, lol. 11:31 Super Shmevan Haha :) 11:32 Lord Hyōga Sango, it does mean "red child," but that's because when babies are born, they're ruddy and red. It may not be used in Chinese, but it has different applications in Japanese, according to my source. 11:32 Sango 珊瑚 Just share a thing with you. :P You know the Steel Wasps that fix the Tessaiga's sheath, right? In Chinese official anime it was translated as the "bees". >> In the manga they translated as the Steel Wasps. X"D 11:33 Ryoga04 Guys, I'm getting hungry lol. It's 10 AM here and I haven't had my breakfast yet. 11:33 Sango 珊瑚 Yea, that's Japanese vocabulary. XD 11:33 Super Shmevan Oh boy, Ryoga You'd better go eat or somethin' :p 11:33 Sango 珊瑚 @Ryoga: Better have some breakfast for now. owo 11:33 Lord Hyōga I actually fixed dinner a few minutes ago. XD You just have to know how to be quick. :P 11:33 Super Shmevan You crazy I ate before I came in 11:34 Lord Hyōga We'll continue, but when you come back, feel free to scroll up and comment on anything you want to give your opinion on. 11:34 Ryoga04 Yeah, *stomach growls*. Can someone keep a log of the discussion for me please? 11:34 Lord Hyōga Just don't log out. 11:35 Ryoga04 Just in case? 11:35 Sango 珊瑚 Yea, just like I do everytime. =w=v 11:35 Lord Hyōga Keep the window open and go eat. When you come back, you'll be able to pick where you left off. If not, I'm planning on copying all of this. I don't know how to do it the way Rowan and Serena were able to do it. So about the titles in page names... 11:36 Super Shmevan Isn't Princess Abi about the only one with a title in the name? 11:37 Sango 珊瑚 Princess Tsuyu also have. >> According to kanji name. Princess Sara also have. << jwdwlhju... As long as "hime" sticks after their name. 11:38 Super Shmevan True, and "Princess Tsuyu's husband" is the name of her.. husband 11:38 Sango 珊瑚 His "name". :v 11:39 Lord Hyōga Lol. "Sango and Kohaku's father" is the name of their...father! XD 11:39 Sango 珊瑚 His "name" [again]. >w> 11:39 Super Shmevan Indeed it is :D 11:40 Sango 珊瑚 LOL, you remind me something. >< Somebody wrote Sango and Kohaku's father's name as "Agate". -w-" 11:41 Super Shmevan Is that like how people thought Miroku and Sango's son was named "Komori" ? 11:42 Sango 珊瑚 But not in this wiki. >>" 11:42 Super Shmevan Oh 11:42 Lord Hyōga Well, what do you guys think, ultimately? 11:42 Super Shmevan About titles in the article name? 11:43 Lord Hyōga Yes. 11:44 Sango 珊瑚 =~= Kinda hard... 11:44 Super Shmevan Yeah... it seems like Princess Abi is the only one who is primarily referred to as "princess" (at least in the English dub of the anime) 11:45 Sango 珊瑚 Hmmmmm... stick to the title, in case those characters have the titles. o.o 11:45 Lord Hyōga Titles aren't technically part of their names. So the page should only be named after them, not their station, too. Otherwise, we might as well rename Sesshomaru, "Lord" Sesshomaru. "-sama" connotes as much meaning to me as "-hime", albeit less so, but the same principal applies I think. If it were a shogun, "-ue" meaning "lord" more literally than "-sama", I think, would not be a part of the shogun's name. 11:46 Ryoga04 Hey, I'm back! 11:46 Lord Hyōga Wb 11:46 Sango 珊瑚 That sounds weird when you name Sesshomaru article as "Lord Sesshomaru". O_o 11:46 Lord Hyōga Exactly my point. 11:46 Super Shmevan Yeah, we definitely shouldn't do that 11:46 Sango 珊瑚 Ryoga-kun is back, but I gotta have my lunch for now. :v 11:46 Ryoga04 I see. We're still discussing the titles. 11:47 Sango 珊瑚 I'll leave the chat opens. >> 11:47 Lord Hyōga Hopefully we can come to a consensus soon, Ryoga. 11:47 Ryoga04 Okay Sango-chan. 11:47 Lord Hyōga What do you think? 11:47 Ryoga04 About the titles? 11:47 Lord Hyōga yes... 11:48 Ryoga04 I also voted on renaming Abi to Princess Abi during the last meeting. I think it should remain. 11:49 Lord Hyōga Why? 11:50 Ryoga04 It's just like Pope Francis. She's called Princess by Naraku, Inuyasha, and the others. I guess it's safe to say it's connected to her primary name. 11:51 Lord Hyōga Pope Francis isn't called Pope Francis, he's called Francis I. Besides, he changed his name, not just his station in life. So his original name wouldn't be used anymore. As far as we know, Abi was always Abi, and "princess" is not a part of her identity. 11:52 Super Shmevan What if, we rename the article "Abi" and in the first line we add something like "often referred to as 'Princess Abi'" 11:52 Lord Hyōga Other popes are also known by their name and number, such as Benedict XVI. But their articles in encyclopedias aren't Popes X1, Y2, Z3, etc. 11:52 Ryoga04 Really? In the news (here), he's referred to as Pope Francis. 11:53 Lord Hyōga Yes, but we aren't a news media outlet. We're an encyclopedia. 11:53 Ryoga04 You are right, but... 11:53 Lord Hyōga ... I'm only going by the same professional standards that offline encyclopedias and most online encyclopedias go by. Or at least I try to in as much as possible. 11:55 Ryoga04 I like Evan's idea btw. If we are renaming her back to Abi, we should add the hatnote. 11:56 Lord Hyōga If Abi were to change to 'Princess Abi', Kaguya would have to change to 'Princess Kaguya', Hyoga (Sr.) to Lord Hyoga, etc. Evan's idea is fine, to the extent that I can see. I don't see why we can't include the titles in the first line. Otherwise it would go in the alias section anyway, I think. 11:56 Ryoga04 Okay. 11:57 Super Shmevan I agree, if Princess Abi has 'princess' included, then all the other lords and princesses and such would have to be changed as well 11:57 Lord Hyōga So? No titles, but where it is deemed relevant, on a case by case basis or across the board we include them in name template? 11:57 Super Shmevan Yes 11:58 Lord Hyōga ...that wasn't a yes or no question. T^T 11:58 Super Shmevan Heh, let me rephrase that 11:58 Lord Hyōga Let me: 11:58 Super Shmevan No titles, unless it is relevant such as in the case of Princess Abi, which is what she is primarily referred to as 11:59 Lord Hyōga Include titles in name template on a case by case basis OR across the board? Number 1 or 2? 11:59 Super Shmevan Number 1 12:00 Lord Hyōga I see. I'll change that now so we can agree on the format just so we're all on the same page. Ryoga, if you disagree, speak now or forever hold your peace. 12:00 Ryoga04 No issues. 12:00 Lord Hyōga K. Abi 12:02 Ryoga04 Next, we enabled Message Wall. 12:02 Lord Hyōga How do we feel about this..........? -__________________- 12:03 Ryoga04 I used to hate it earlier, but I no longer do. It's tidier than talk pages. 12:03 Lord Hyōga I personally despise the Message Wall, it's far less organized, you can't archive anything, it's hard to scroll through, visually unappealing, no customization ability, no signatures to express editors' individuality, I could go on, but we're short on time. 12:04 Super Shmevan I like it, it's easy to use 12:04 Lord Hyōga >_________< 12:04 Super Shmevan Although it does negate the need for sigs 12:04 Lord Hyōga And you can't archive anything, making record keeping impossible. 12:05 Super Shmevan And, to be honest, I'm not particularly bothered one way or the other. I like both message walls and talk pages :D 12:05 Lord Hyōga Most of the comments in long discussions are hidden, so you can't search them. Editors have no control over the content of their message walls, which, to me, is the most disturbing part of their use. 12:06 Super Shmevan What do you mean? Have no control? 12:06 Lord Hyōga And they're messy, messy, messy.... Say I decide to vandalize your message wall. What can you do about it, other than contact and admin? 12:06 Super Shmevan I can't revert it? 12:07 Lord Hyōga I don't think so; not if you aren't an admin. You also can't archive anything or organize it to your liking, as I mentioned above. 12:07 Super Shmevan Oh, so the reason I can remove messages from the message wall is because I have admin rights? 12:08 Lord Hyōga Yes. 12:08 Ryoga04 @Hyoga: You can remove the thread :) And you can delete it too. 12:08 Lord Hyōga If you aren't an admin? Are you sure? 12:08 Super Shmevan Yeah, you can actually remove messages if you aren't an admin I checked on another wiki 12:08 Ryoga04 Anyone can 'remove' threads, only admins can 'delete' them. 12:09 Super Shmevan Indeed 12:10 Lord Hyōga >_> You still can't do the other stuff. Plus, imagine a year or two from now. Our message walls are expansive and the only way you can go to where we are today is by manually scrolling through the pages of past comments until you find what you're looking for. From an administrative standpoint, this is a nightmare. 12:11 Ryoga04 Come on mate, it's not as bad as you say it is :D 12:11 Lord Hyōga I'm probably being more optimistic about it than I should. 12:11 Ryoga04 :S Why don't we test it out for a while before deciding on whether to revert back to talk pages or not? 12:13 Lord Hyōga Try going to a popular wiki that allows article comments, for instance. Try finding a comment you left a few days ago. You'd have to manually scroll to page fifty to find it. Now imagine doing that with something important; a conversation you had to find for an administrative function. Only it's two or three years in the past. You don't want to accumulate that many messages. The message wall is a blight. 12:14 Ryoga04 You can follow your contributions to find the thread... 12:15 Lord Hyōga I've tested it out enough for my tastes anyway. I've had to deal with it for the past month since I got back. When I saw it I nearly had a heart attack; it was the first radical change I saw and it has been my least favorite. It has driven me crazy and I can't express how much I detest it enough. But these discussions are based on rational argument, not emotion, so I will try to contain my enmity. 12:16 Ryoga04 I hope your feelings change :) It's not that bad. Trust me. Hey guys, can we move on to the next subject please? I have an exam tomorrow and I have to study for it :) 12:17 Super Shmevan We're still going through the last meeting's topics, right? 12:18 Lord Hyōga Who wants to do that Ryoga??? You're still scrolling through who knows how much junk just to find one thread. It's complete and utter chaos. We aren't a forum, we're an encyclopedia; anything that inhibits people's ability to edit and communicate to improve the wiki I will be against. I will fight it as long as I have to. You may oppose it today, but I will bring it up in every discussion, every daimyo-kai; even if I had have to try a thousand times, even if it takes me 100 years. It must be reverted back. Yes, Evan. 12:19 Super Shmevan Bwahaha, yes, call me that from now on Hyoga-kun :) 12:19 Lord Hyōga (disappointed) >____> Why don't we have that emoticon?? Nevermind. 12:19 Super Shmevan I don't know... (waves) nooo 12:20 Lord Hyōga We'll have to put this on our to-do list. >_> 12:20 Super Shmevan Should we move on? 12:20 Sango 珊瑚 <_< 12:21 Lord Hyōga Yes; we'll come back to it when Sango comes back, though, since we're at an impasse. Or not. 12:21 Super Shmevan Oh there she is 12:21 Sango 珊瑚 >_>v 12:21 Lord Hyōga Sango, quickly, your take on Message Walls and how unspeakably evil they are. 12:22 Ryoga04 Actually, she's a huge supporter of walls. 12:22 Sango 珊瑚 o.o Message Wall isn't evil. 12:22 Ryoga04 See, told ya. 12:22 Lord Hyōga This does not bode well for you Sango. ._. 12:22 Sango 珊瑚 Talk Page also not evil. o_o 12:22 Lord Hyōga Everyone knows that Message Walls are incarnations of Naraku. 12:22 Sango 珊瑚 It's the evil that exist in your heart. o_o 12:23 Ryoga04 Woah ::::::::O 12:23 Lord Hyōga My heart is...somewhere else. >_> So that can't be it. 12:23 Super Shmevan so, you're just an empty shell, eh? 12:23 Sango 珊瑚 Yeah, as long as you feel hate to use certain things, you'll hate something for a long time. == 12:23 Ryoga04 Hyoga, your heart is tainted by the darkness. Talk pages shall he purified. Hehe, jk 12:24 Lord Hyōga I have no idea where this is going; so I'll just mark you all down as "against" and bring it up every time we talk from now on. 12:25 Ryoga04 Lol 12:25 Sango 珊瑚 -w- I'm Miroku, LOL. X"D 12:25 Lord Hyōga Frequency of Daimyo-kai, what nonsense was this? 12:26 Super Shmevan We just decided that we should have them more often I think.. 12:26 Ryoga04 Yeah. 12:26 Sango 珊瑚 *nods* .w. 12:26 Lord Hyōga Only if we have stuff to talk about. This was discussed long ago... >_> Forums, what was the conclusion? 12:27 Ryoga04 Evan? Bro? What did we decide? 12:27 Sango 珊瑚 Forum can be activated at anytime, right? -w- 12:27 Lord Hyōga I wish Banryu was here... ( _ _) 12:27 Super Shmevan I think that it was decided that, even though we barely use them, they could still be beneficial if there is an important topic that needs to be discussed I know.. Banryu was at the last meeting too 12:28 Ryoga04 @Sango: yep 12:28 Lord Hyōga I definitely agree. I will be making more use of them myself. 12:28 Sango 珊瑚 -w- Easy to use...yup. 12:28 Super Shmevan Oh, and Rowan did away with the blogs, I believe 12:28 Lord Hyōga Blogs, what heretical line of thinking got rid of them? 12:28 Ryoga04 Then we decided that pages for OST shall be created. No one uses blogs, they're not commented on etc. 12:30 Lord Hyōga Horrible reason. That will have to change. Next to activating Message Walls, getting rid of blogs is unthinkable. 12:30 Super Shmevan Why? 12:30 Lord Hyōga Ahem... "anything that inhibits people's ability to edit and communicate to improve the wiki I will be against. I will fight it as long as I have to. You may oppose it today, but I will bring it up in every discussion, every daimyo-kai; even if I had have to try a thousand times, even if it takes me 100 years. It must be reverted back." 12:31 Super Shmevan Well, if we bring them back, you better post blogs everyday, Hyoga-sama
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12:31 Lord Hyōga Removing an outlet of expression from people's repertoire is an unholy infringement of people's rights and freedoms. Provided it follows policy of course. I actually had several blogs planned, Evan-san. 12:32 Sango 珊瑚 @Ryoga: What is OST?? 12:32 Lord Hyōga I never got around to them because of reasons. 12:32 Ryoga04 Original Sound track 12:32 Lord Hyōga Original Soundtrack. 12:32 Ryoga04 And not only that Hyoga, no one ever comments on the blogs. 12:32 Lord Hyōga I know lots about the OST; let me know, whoever is in charge, if you need help. 12:32 Sango 珊瑚 Okay. o.o Now I get it. 12:33 Lord Hyōga So be it. Why get rid of it? It doesn't hurt anybody. 12:33 Ryoga04 Which is sad, if you spent hours thinking on what to write. @Hyoga: Banryu is in charge of crafting the musical structure section of the articles. 12:33 Sango 珊瑚 Well I think that as long the blogs don't contain any sensitive issues like discrimination, religions, and so on. >w> 12:33 Lord Hyōga I know the feeling, but that's life. Well, Sango, that goes along with what I said earlier, about following policy. 12:34 Super Shmevan Should we have some sort of blog policy if we bring them back? JINIERULES has joined the chat. 12:34 Lord Hyōga @Ryoga: Yet another reason why I wish Banryu were here. T^T Oh, hello, Jinie. How kind of you to stop by. :) 12:34 Sango 珊瑚 ~(_ _)~ 12:34 Lord Hyōga No, Evan. 12:34 Sango 珊瑚 Hello, Jinie! 12:34 Super Shmevan Hi Jinie :D 12:35 Lord Hyōga Everything is already covered under current policy. They're no different from user pages or talk pages. 12:35 JINIERULES hi 12:35 Super Shmevan True 12:35 Lord Hyōga I'll pretend I didn't read that. 12:35 JINIERULES i preferred message wall 12:35 Super Shmevan Heh, so we're bringing the blogs back then? 12:36 Lord Hyōga So then, all in favor of returning the people's right to blog and overturning the oppression levied against them, say "aye". All those opposed say "please veto me, Hyoga-sama". 12:37 JINIERULES where's Banryu 12:37 Lord Hyōga Not here. 12:38 Super Shmevan I'm fine with it, as long as the blogs are in use and relevant 12:38 Lord Hyōga ...define "relevant". >_> 12:38 JINIERULES he took so long right? 12:38 Ryoga04 Yep, as long as they're in use. 12:38 Super Shmevan Somewhat related to InuYasha... Or anime, I suppose 12:38 Sango 珊瑚 Yea. :v 12:38 Super Shmevan But mostly they need to have something to do with Inu 12:38 Lord Hyōga Jinie, we're in the middle of an intense debate, please do not distract from the issue at hand. Contact someone via PM, if necessary. Fair enough, I will consent to that. Moving on. What're preloads about? 12:39 JINIERULES ok 12:40 Ryoga04 Preloads are designed to present the user with pre-filled comments/templates. 12:40 Super Shmevan Yeah, and Row really just wanted to know if we were aware of them 12:40 Lord Hyōga (P.S. Let's get through the rest of last meeting's business in the next twenty minutes please. There's something of critical importance that I absolutely must discuss with you guys.) 12:40 Super Shmevan There are preloads for infoboxes and fair use rationale and such 12:41 Lord Hyōga Huh. Interesting. OSTs, you already mentioned Ryoga. Battles, a brief outline of what was planned. This was something I had discussed in the past. Sango 珊瑚 has left the chat. 12:41 Lord Hyōga How disappointing. :/ Hopefully she'll come back. 12:41 Ryoga04 I'm looking forward to the OST articles. 12:42 Lord Hyōga Battles, battles. 12:42 Super Shmevan I actually thought that battle articles were a cool idea, I've seen them on other wikis, but Banryu and Rowan pointed out that battles are pretty much already covered in manga, anime, and character articles 12:42 Lord Hyōga True, but I said long ago that we can unburden the amount of content on long character pages by putting them on battle pages. Easier to sift through content of this sort. Sango 珊瑚 has joined the chat. JINIERULES has left the chat. 12:43 Lord Hyōga It will take some work however, so I would prefer it be a group endeavor as much as possible. But I guess that will come up later. Did you guys ultimately decide against it? 12:43 Ryoga04 Welcome back Sango-chan. Wow, one out another in. Lol, a FIFO list? 12:43 Lord Hyōga Haha. 12:43 Super Shmevan I suppose we could do that, but I'd honestly rather have very detailed character articles But yeah, we did decide against it 12:44 Ryoga04 Me too. Sango 珊瑚 has left the chat. Sango 珊瑚 has joined the chat. 12:44 Ryoga04 Let me guess Sango-chan. Your internet is behaving crazy. 12:45 Lord Hyōga Too bad we agreed to it already and it's been on my to-do list since forever ago. 12:45 Sango 珊瑚 @Ryoga: The net is not good. :( 12:45 Super Shmevan Well, we can discuss it further at another time, because I do like the idea of battle articles It would be a lot of work, of course 12:46 Ryoga04 @Sango: I knew it. 12:46 Sango 珊瑚 Yeah, quite a lot of work... 12:46 Lord Hyōga Page layouts I don't care about, manga images...I've discussed this with Banryu before, but let's take a vote authorizing me to delete any image with text in it. All in favor say "aye," all opposed say "nay." 12:46 Super Shmevan Aye aye aye no text 12:46 Sango 珊瑚 @Ryoga: Huhu. :S 12:46 Super Shmevan Ugh, there are so many though that I've already licensed D: 12:47 Lord Hyōga Okay, that's three votes from Evan, a huhu from Sango. Any other votes? Oh well, Evan-dono. Yolo. 12:47 Super Shmevan you do indeed olo 12:47 Ryoga04 no text too 12:47 Sango 珊瑚 No text. -w- 12:48 Lord Hyōga I guess the people who invented that acronym don't believe in reincarnation. Oh well. Okay, that settles that. Demon --> yokai? What more was there to discuss. Yokai is for links, surely, but we don't want to overuse the work yokai, so what was the result? 12:49 Sango 珊瑚 Yea, I have been wondering for so long... +_+ 12:50 Ryoga04 We'll go with yokai? Or did we decide that we'll alternate between yokai and demon? 12:50 Super Shmevan I think we decided to alternate, so it doesn't get too repetitive 12:50 Lord Hyōga It should be common sense...why was this on the agenda? ( _ _) Okay, good. 12:50 Super Shmevan I was just wondering the same thing... 12:50 Lord Hyōga Debut in location infobox, what was that about? ... 12:51 Super Shmevan We actually didn't even discuss that, I don't think, but I believe it's referring to the Location Infobox and whether or not we should add the debut of that infobox? 12:52 Lord Hyōga That makes sense, let's do it. 12:52 Super Shmevan Looking through the text transcript, we didn't appear to discuss this 12:52 Sango 珊瑚 It makes the readers know which episode that the relevant locations start appear. :v 12:52 Lord Hyōga Distinguishing anime, blah, blah, information in articles. Explanation? I hope this wasn't implemented. 12:52 Sango 珊瑚 I think it's weird that character infobox has debut section, but that one doesn't have. 12:52 Lord Hyōga I agree, Sango, it's an excellent idea, whoever thought of it. Tick tock. Eight minutes left until I want to move on from old business... -__- 12:53 Super Shmevan I don't think it was implemented, that would also be a lot of work to distinguish the diferences difference* Oh, and the manga vs anime section kind of takes care of that, to an extent 12:53 Ryoga04 Yes, it does. 12:54 Lord Hyōga It's also stupid, so we won't be doing it, it contradicts our canon policy. The manga vs. anime section was invented for a reason. Sango 珊瑚 has left the chat. 12:54 Lord Hyōga Anime information is only non-canon if it contradicts the manga, so anything that isn't in line the manga will be in that section. Characters in order of appearance, what's that? Sango 珊瑚 has joined the chat. 12:55 Lord Hyōga 5 minutes left... >_> 12:55 Super Shmevan Well, I think it was something that Banryu and Row discussed but I brought it up in reference to the episode articles that I had been editing 12:55 Lord Hyōga ? So it only appears on Episode articles? 12:55 Super Shmevan Er... well it was decided that if the character doesn't actually appear in the episode then I shouldn't note that it was a flashback.. or something to that effect 12:55 Ryoga04 While adding character appearances list in episode/chapter pages, should we add the ones who appear in flashbacks. Just what Evan said. 12:56 Sango 珊瑚 I say yeah! >.< 12:56 Lord Hyōga Yes, include them. That's what is for. 12:56 Sango 珊瑚 But you have to add the details. >> Don't make the readers confused. 12:56 Ryoga04 A flashback is just a recollection of past events. Why should we include them again? 12:56 Lord Hyōga Image naming, I suppose that has to do with something tedious, I'll assume you guys made a good decision unless I come to find out that you did not. 12:57 Super Shmevan We did 12:57 Ryoga04 We decided that images should be named properly, so that one can easily identify what they're about. 12:58 Lord Hyōga First of all, just to clarify, a flashback is different from a recap, fyi. Secondly, if a character appears in an episode, he appeared in an episode. Who cares how he got there. Plus, some events, such as the Panther Demon Wars, only appear in flashbacks. :/ Media appearances section, I'm getting deja vu again. This is something I have talked about before. What was decided? Two minutes left, we can do this! :D One minute left. .-. ... 12:59 Ryoga04 We'll add a media appearances section to characters with more than 8 appearances. Using tabber. 12:59 Super Shmevan Boom 12:59 Lord Hyōga Great, moving on to the next order of business. 1:00 Ryoga04 A tab for manga, anime, and movies. Done! 1:00 Sango 珊瑚 ^ Agree. 1:00 Super Shmevan 8) 8-) Damn 1:00 Sango 珊瑚 B) 1:00 Super Shmevan How did you... 1:01 Ryoga04 yeah.. 1:01 Lord Hyōga Hm, not sure about the movies, but whatever, we'll deal with that later. I think they should be put in with the anime episodes, but unless somebody rewrote the layout for characters, that's technically already policy. B)
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1:01 Ryoga04 How do you create them? 1:01 Super Shmevan B) 1:01 Sango 珊瑚 B| 1:01 Super Shmevan capital b 1:01 Ryoga04 B) 1:01 Super Shmevan hehe 1:01 Ryoga04 Ooh, nice. 1:01 Sango 珊瑚 >.< 1:01 Lord Hyōga Congrats, mina-san. We're all cool. 1:01 Super Shmevan Ok, Hyoga-san what was it you wanted to talk about? 1:03 Sango 珊瑚 o.o Time has passed, LOL. 1:03 Lord Hyōga This is all my stuff, but I can't remember half of it. Unless anybody has anything to say about sidebars (whatever those are), unnamed characters or sourcing, I'll move on passed categorization (which we talked about), and move on to profile book measurements. Does anybody actually own a profile book? 1:03 Super Shmevan I don't.. but I think Banryu might? 1:03 Sango 珊瑚 == I owed scanned profile book, but it's in Chinese. 1:03 Super Shmevan If only he was here... 1:03 Ryoga04 I do!!! 1:03 Lord Hyōga Oh, should we include articles on unnamed characters, yea or nay. @Evan, yeah, srsly, lol, but not really. T^T 1:04 Ryoga04 I own both Art of InuYasha and InuYasha Manga Profiles. 1:04 Super Shmevan Oooh Ryoga-kun has it!!! 1:04 Sango 珊瑚 Since when you have those? :O 1:04 Ryoga04 Since 2011 :P 1:04 Super Shmevan Wait, like, which unnamed characters? 1:04 Ryoga04 Unnamed mantis yokai... unnamed bear yokai etc 1:05 Lord Hyōga Okay, where references are made in infoboxes about height, weight, or age, could you look into the book and see if that information is legit, and then source it, with page numbers, etc? 1:05 Sango 珊瑚 You know unnamed characters are sharing the same name. >>" 1:05 Lord Hyōga Yeah, stuff like that. 1:05 Super Shmevan Ah, the characters that have "unnamed ..." in the title 1:05 Sango 珊瑚 And they aren't the same character. =w= 1:06 Lord Hyōga Maybe it isn't so much of a yea or nay issue as much as, what should we do about them. My memory is kind of fuzzy about some of this stuff, so I can't always remember why I put it on my issues to talk about almost a year ago. 1:06 Ryoga04 @Hyoga: I don't think they have information regarding height or weight. Age for certain characters is included and I can reference them. I can say Naraku is the tallest among the characters :D 1:06 Lord Hyōga Okay, well then where does the height and weight info come from? >____> 1:07 Super Shmevan Do people just make it up? 1:07 Sango 珊瑚 Yea, the tallest character, even the artbook also shows that. 1:07 Lord Hyōga P.S. We can definitely be done in 53 minutes if we keep up the good pace. 1:07 Sango 珊瑚 Maybe they do make up, but Shippo's weight is real. >> 1:07 Lord Hyōga *not that it will necessarily have to take that long How do you know, Sango? 1:08 Sango 珊瑚 I wonder how Miroku can endure such 4kg of Shippo on his shoulder... >_> 1:08 Ryoga04 I don't know, maybe from production sheets? 1:08 Sango 珊瑚 Profile book said so. Rumiko says it. =v=+ 1:08 Ryoga04 Yeah, there's something about Shippo's weight in it. 1:09 Lord Hyōga Hmm...well, if you don't see it referenced, can everybody put next to a figure, if you see it in an infobox? And if we can't find sources within a year, we'll remove them or something. 1:09 Ryoga04 Ok. 1:09 Sango 珊瑚 Yea. :v 1:10 Ryoga04 http://www.absoluteanime.com/inuyasha/inuyasha.htm Check the images out. 1:10 Lord Hyōga Okay, so Japanese obviously doesn't have capitalization, so how we capitalized romanized names is entirely up to us. Should we keep everything but the first letter of a phrase uncapitalized, or should we capitalize anything that would be capitalized in English? 1:10 Ryoga04 Sesshomaru's height can be sourced. 1:11 Lord Hyōga Lol, "some Japanese magazine". How specific. -__-" 1:11 Ryoga04 http://www.absoluteanime.com/inuyasha/sesshoumaru.htm Don 1:11 Sango 珊瑚 I have to leave now, my lappy needs some rest. :v 1:11 Ryoga04 Don't know how reliable it is. Okay then, bye Sango-chan. 1:11 Sango 珊瑚 Sorry for leaving the meeting. >.< Bye everyone! 1:11 Lord Hyōga Not very, would be my estimate. 1:11 Super Shmevan Bye Sango! Sango 珊瑚 has left the chat. 1:12 Lord Hyōga Bye, Sango, wish you could stay until the important--nvm. ( _ _) Btw, I'm changing any reference of people's hair being silver to being white. Silver hair is silver, not white. So let's call a spade a spade. This applies to all dog yokai plus Inuyasha. To the extent that it doesn't already say white. 1:15 Super Shmevan Do you want to move on to the next, Hyoga-san? 1:15 Ryoga04 I guess Evan's getting sleepy, aren't you Evan-san? 1:16 Super Shmevan No, I'm feeling pretty good actually :) 1:18 Ryoga04 Hyoga? 1:18 Lord Hyōga Yes. I was editing Inuyasha's infobox. Why is his name translated as "dog forest spirit"? >_> 1:19 Ryoga04 That's the real translation I think. 1:20 Super Shmevan I'm no good with translations :( 1:20 Lord Hyōga According to whom, Ryoga? It's wrong, fyi. 1:21 Ryoga04 According to the profiles book? Rumiko Takahashi? 1:21 Lord Hyōga A yaksha is a buddhist nature spirit; the kanji do not indicate anything to do with forests. Someone translated it very loosely. Rumiko Takahashi is Japanese, what does she know about translating things into English? >_> Here's the link on the Japanese Wikipedia, if anybody is interested. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/夜叉 1:28 Ryoga04 What do you suggest to replace the current translation? 1:28 Lord Hyōga Who put the message? 1:28 Ryoga04 Don't know :/ 1:29 Super Shmevan I think it was Row 1:29 Lord Hyōga Well, I'll leave it for now, until we have a wider conversation. With more people, since that's sort of an important content-related question. Belongs on a talk page. Since it's sourced, I don't want to take it out. Whatever I had in there before was better. Well, she shouldn't have put that there, since I'm the one who put that he was 200+ years old. >___> 1:29 Super Shmevan Inuyasha?diff=59037&oldid=58969 I don't know why she put that, he is 200 years old isnt he? 1:30 Lord Hyōga I shall contain my rage, for the moment. Yes, he is. This is a well established fact in the community. It says so in Movie 3, I think. There's a source, somewhere. 1:31 Ryoga04 Artbook too. Or was it the Profiles? 1:32 Lord Hyōga Yeah, so...I'm changing it back. We all know 200+ years is accurate. 1:32 Ryoga04 It must be around 1 AM in your place. 1:32 Lord Hyōga Passed. 1:32 Super Shmevan It's 12:32 here :D 1:33 Ryoga04 It's 12 PM here and not even air conditioning can help me. It's too hot here. 1:33 Super Shmevan Ugh, I know how you feel. It gets ridiculously hot here too 1:34 Lord Hyōga No one ever answered my question about romanization, so we can't move on. T^T 1:34 Super Shmevan Wait... 1:34 Lord Hyōga From 24 minutes ago... "Okay, so Japanese obviously doesn't have capitalization, so how we capitalized romanized names is entirely up to us. Should we keep everything but the first letter of a phrase uncapitalized, or should we capitalize anything that would be capitalized in English?" :/ 825 1:35 Super Shmevan I would say that we should just capitalize anything as we would capitalize it in English, though I'm not sure what is officially correct 1:35 Lord Hyōga There is no "official" capitalization method. 1:36 Super Shmevan Well then I would say that we should just capitalize anything as we would capitalize it in English 1:37 Lord Hyōga P.S. Since only two of the three new admins are here, I'm not going to have a real discussion until Banryu is here, but I will tell you guys about agenda item numbers 9 and 10. Number 11 can wait 'til whenever. 1:38 Ryoga04 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:g6EOrYQ43mcJ:www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/japanese_table_111215.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in&client=firefox-a 1:38 Lord Hyōga I agree with you Evan. Ryoga, thoughts? 1:38 Ryoga04 You guys might want to read it. 1:38 Lord Hyōga Do I have to click the link? >___> I'm so tired. I can't read anything... ( _ _) 1:38 Ryoga04 It's about romanization. 1:38 Lord Hyōga Ugh......... 1:38 Ryoga04 E:\IDM\Documents\japanese_table_111215.pdf whoops: www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/japanese_table_111215.pdf http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/japanese_table_111215.pdf What is SC&UR anyway Hyoga? 1:40 Lord Hyōga What's the source, I don't understand what body issued this document. I'll talk about that when we get to it in a moment. 1:41 Super Shmevan "Capitalize each word of a personal name, except the particle no" "Sugawara no Takasue no Musume" 1:41 Lord Hyōga Who issued the document...?? 1:41 Ryoga04 Kenkyūsha. A major Japanese-English publisher. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenkyūsha's_New_Japanese-English_Dictionary Guys? 1:44 Super Shmevan What do you think, Hyoga? 1:44 Lord Hyōga Sounds suspicious. It's not exactly authoritative, but whatever. To each his own, I guess. It more or less lines up with what we were planning anyway, I guess. As I said; there is no official capitalization policy, but each organization has its own way, which is why I wanted to know what you thought ours should be. Evan votes we should follow English conventions, Ryoga votes we should follow these people. I say in so far as I can see, neither conflicts with the other, so we'll go with both and hope they don't conflict. 1:44 Ryoga04 Sounds good. 1:44 Super Shmevan Agreed 1:45 Ryoga04 Btw Hyoga, what is SC&UR 1:45 Lord Hyōga Moving on; affiliation policy; is there a line we should draw when we affiliate with people? Or should we affiliate with anybody who asks? Patience, Ryoga. I put it at the end so that your curiosity would keep you in the meeting. 1:45 Super Shmevan I don't see any problem when affiliating with other wikis who ask to be affiliated with us What do you think? 1:46 Ryoga04 I'd prefer if the wiki has something to with anime/manga. 1:46 Lord Hyōga I don't know; I'm just an admin. Who the entire community wants to affiliate isn't up to me. That would make sense. 1:46 Super Shmevan Ah, yeah, they have to be anime or manga We can't be affiliated with The Office wiki etc 1:47 Lord Hyōga What about Japanese culture? Like Geisha World, who we're already affiliated with... 1:48 Super Shmevan Huh, I didn't notice that one 1:48 Ryoga04 That one's okay, but if something else like that comes up, we should probably discuss before accepting it. 1:48 Lord Hyōga K; grandfather it in, in other words. 1:48 Super Shmevan That makes sense 1:48 Ryoga04 Btw, the Geisha World's admin asked a lot of wikis to affiliate with them. Only a few accepted, I think. 1:49 Lord Hyōga I thought the Daimyo-kai would be a good place to resolve the undiscussed forum topics, but I guess we couldn't get to them today, either. So onto #s 9 and 10. 1:49 Ryoga04 Okay then. 1:50 Lord Hyōga We'll talk about it again so we can have a real consensus among everybody who couldn't make it today, but I think that any admin that is inactive for 6 months should be removed of their privileges and that any bureaucrat inactive for 1 year should be removed of theirs. 1:51 Ryoga04 That is a good proposal. 1:51 Super Shmevan I would agree with that 1:51 Ryoga04 Wikipedia has something like that. 1:51 Lord Hyōga K. Yeah, they do. 1:51 Ryoga04 That way, other eligible users can take up the power. 1:51 Lord Hyōga Yeah; now...SC&UR... 1:51 Ryoga04 yeah 1:51 Lord Hyōga >_> Special Categories and User Rights... 1:53 Ryoga04 I see... 1:53 Super Shmevan Oh... 1:54 Ryoga04 What about it? 1:55 Lord Hyōga I had originally planned to nominate a new admin sometime this Spring after reviewing all of your performances as contributors, but, as we all know, the situation fell out of hand, and we now have a total of 5 admins, when two or three would suffice, I think at most. This is untenable, and I think we must get things back to the status quo. So, I am proposing that all non-bureaucrats with Sysop rights voluntarily give back their rights so that we can have a proper vote on who should be the next admin. 1:56 Ryoga04 Please feel free to revoke my admin rights. I am not a daily contributor anyway and I already have my hands full. 1:56 Super Shmevan That is fine with me, Hyoga, we probably shouldn't have been given these rights without your knowledge 1:57 Ryoga04 Let Evan's rights stay. He's way more mature than me. He knows how to handle a situation peacefully and plus, he's a native speaker of English. 1:58 Lord Hyōga Nevertheless, I feel like all of you (Banryu included) have used the tools given to you responsibly, and I would be remiss to not reward your longstanding contributions to the wiki. That is why I'm also proposing "Special Categories" of users. Special positions that are conferred on you all based on your level and area of expertise, based on the feudal structure of the Sengoku jidai. 1:58 Ryoga04 Yeah, a few wikis have that. 1:58 Super Shmevan Huh, that sounds interesting 1:59 Lord Hyōga I've done this in the past, with other wikis, but not recently. 1:59 Super Shmevan And yeah, I've seen other wikis with "wiki-themed" user rights 1:59 Ryoga04 Yep. 2:00 Lord Hyōga I'll provide more details once I've come up with a better plan, but basically, each of you would give new meaning to the name "Daimyo-kai" and would each become "Daimyo" of a specific area. Admins might also take special names, just to keep with the theme structure. 2:00 Ryoga04 Like this one: http://nightworld.wikia.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Miyanlove ? Wikia staff would take care of the rest. ? 2:02 Super Shmevan That sounds good to me Hyoga. I honestly felt kind of bad that I was an admin when you returned, like I did it behind your back or something 2:03 Ryoga04 I suggested you Evan-san. Actually Hyoga, Evan deserves it. He took care of the licensing, makes minor and tedious edits etc. 2:03 Lord Hyōga It's possible to include headers like that, but these are particulars for another day. In essence, Banryu, since he seems to have a particular passion would be the Daimyo of Manga, Sango would be the Daimyo of inter-language relations, and so on. XD It sounds sort of silly, but it's the best way I could think of to thank you all for supporting the wiki. 2:04 Ryoga04 It isn't silly, I think it's pretty cool. And.. what would my position be? Daimyo of procrastination? LOl 2:04 Super Shmevan Haha, the Daimyo of inter-language relations sounds funny :D 2:05 Lord Hyōga I agree that Evan would make an excellent admin, as would any of you, really. But there's only a need for one more at present, and the fairest way to do that is to have a vote. My adminship and bureaucratship were approved by vote, and although Rowan was appointed abruptly by Serena, I think that we should continue to promote users based on community support. 2:06 Super Shmevan That makes sense. I think that is the most fair way to do it 2:06 Lord Hyōga Perhaps an admin could be Shogun or something. XD Haha, or Taikun or Kampaku, I dunno. It's an interesting discussion to have, at a later date, and I of course will listen to all of your ideas. 2:06 Ryoga04 Yes. 2:06 Lord Hyōga Just because we're editing doesn't mean we can't have fun! ^_^ 2:06 Super Shmevan And you're right. Hyoga, any of the five or so users who contribute here regularly would make very good admins We just can't have every user here be an admin :p 2:09 Lord Hyōga Yes, there is truth to the phrase "too many cooks in the kitchen." For a wiki this size, we don't need that many, and although we've all been able to co-exist peacefully, sometimes disputes can arise and if everyone is an admin, we can't get anything done without getting bogged down in debates that could drag on for weeks. This is the essence of politics. XD 2:10 Ryoga04 Yeah, exactly. 2:11 Super Shmevan Indeed :D 2:11 Ryoga04 Anyway, is it safe to wrap up this conversation? Anyone have a log of the discussion? Guys? 2:12 Lord Hyōga Yes, Ryoga! You can go study. :P I don't know how to make a log like exists in the minutes, I may have to type it by hand if need be. >_< But I will copy it onto a word document. 2:13 Ryoga04 Just select everything in the chat window and paste it in. 2:14 Lord Hyōga If you guys don't mind, and if we really are in agreement, I'll remove your Sysop rights. Evan, if you want, I can hold off until I talk to Banryu, if you want to wait a bit. 2:15 Super Shmevan Yeah, I suppose you should talk to Banryu about this first 2:15 Ryoga04 Please feel free to remove my sysop rights right away :) 2:16 Lord Hyōga Okay. And I wasn't going to take Banryu's until he agreed anyway. I was saying I'll wait to take yours back if you feel like I should talk to him to, to see what he was going to do, in case he says no and you want to change your mind. 2:17 Super Shmevan Oh, well you can just take my sysop rights away right now, I don't mind As long as I can still rollback :) 2:17 Lord Hyōga Oh, okay. I'll leave you guys with chatmod and rollback, of course. :D 2:17 Ryoga04 So guys, arigato gozaimashita. Such a wonderful daimyo-kai. 2:17 Super Shmevan It was 2:18 Lord Hyōga Indeed, I'll get in touch with you guys later about giving out Daimyo titles, etc. 2:18 Super Shmevan Great talking with you guys :) we'll speak again soon 2:18 Ryoga04 I wouldn't need a chatmod status too :D Rollback would do. 2:18 Super Shmevan Good night Hyoga-san, and have a good rest of your day Ryoga-kun B) 2:18 Ryoga04 I don't live in the same timezone as you guys, so I can't be online when you guys are. 2:18 Lord Hyōga Lol, you know how I feel about there needing to be a chatmod somewhere. Haha. XD 2:19 Ryoga04 Oyasumi Evan-san. Sleep well. Oyasumi Hyoga-san :) Take care both of you :) 2:19 Lord Hyōga I'll copy the text of the meeting when you guys leave. See you later. B) Oyasumi! 2:19 Super Shmevan Bye guys! 2:19 Lord Hyōga B) <---Daimyo stylings :P Ja ne. 2:19 Ryoga04 You might want to copy it now. Evan, can you keep a copy too? I refreshed my chat window so I don't have the full conversation. Super Shmevan has left the chat. 2:22 Ryoga04 Guys? 2:22 Lord Hyōga I'm still here. 2:24 Ryoga04 Okay then. Bye guys :) 2:25 Lord Hyōga Bye.
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